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froshoppo18
Who do you guys think the best JV teams in state are?

I mean, I totally heard that Deerfield was really good. WWS, GBE, and New Trier are also really good I heard. Can anyone confirm?

I think we should try and get like a top 10 JV teams going
vballboy555
QUOTE(froshoppo18 @ May 15 2009, 05:49 PM) *

Who do you guys think the best JV teams in state are?

I mean, I totally heard that Deerfield was really good. WWS, GBE, and New Trier are also really good I heard. Can anyone confirm?

I think we should try and get like a top 10 JV teams going

Dude no on cares about jv... and y don't u use ur main account? Y make a new one to talk urself and ur team up?
vandeman11
QUOTE(froshoppo18 @ May 15 2009, 05:49 PM) *

Who do you guys think the best JV teams in state are?

I mean, I totally heard that Deerfield was really good. WWS, GBE, and New Trier are also really good I heard. Can anyone confirm?

I think we should try and get like a top 10 JV teams going

NOBODY CAAAARRREEEESSSS!!! but if i were to say anything

1) New Trier
2) HP
3) GBN
4) WWS
5) A. Trail
6) Minooka
7) Deerfield
8) GBE (was #3 until they lost their rightside for smoking cigs)
9) OPRF
10) Sandburg
vballboy555
QUOTE(vandeman11 @ May 15 2009, 05:57 PM) *

NOBODY CAAAARRREEEESSSS!!! but if i were to say anything

1) New Trier
2) HP
3) GBN
4) WWS
5) A. Trail
6) Minooka
7) Deerfield
8) GBE (was #3 until they lost their rightside for smoking cigs)
9) OPRF
10) Sandburg

I would put Stevenson up there haha they beat deerfield and new trier...
iplayvolleyball
QUOTE(vandeman11 @ May 15 2009, 04:57 PM) *

NOBODY CAAAARRREEEESSSS!!! but if i were to say anything

1) New Trier
2) HP
3) GBN
4) WWS
5) A. Trail
6) Minooka
7) Deerfield
8) GBE (was #3 until they lost their rightside for smoking cigs)
9) OPRF
10) Sandburg



sandburg should be wayyy up there. their team is just a sophomore team but they re 30-0 and have played in two jv tournaments which includes a win over WWS jv in two... Also, lake park has a solid jv team as well and should be included somewhere here on this list. here's my list.
1. Sandburg
2. New Trier
3. GBN
4. Lake Park
5. Marist
6. Downers Grove South
7. Minooka
8. Deerfield
9. Providence
10. WWS
froshoppo18
QUOTE(vballboy555 @ May 15 2009, 05:54 PM) *

Dude no on cares about jv... and y don't u use ur main account? Y make a new one to talk urself and ur team up?



lemme git thiz straight. fiiirst you say im such a loser ha ha ha, im just talkin up mah team. then when other peeps start talkin bout my thread you decide to have fun with it to? reallllllll cool man. hypocrite

and this is my main account, i just started to post on volleyballmag. sorry i didnt kno sophmores wernt allowde to post on herre. jerk
vballboy555
QUOTE(froshoppo18 @ May 16 2009, 01:20 PM) *

lemme git thiz straight. fiiirst you say im such a loser ha ha ha, im just talkin up mah team. then when other peeps start talkin bout my thread you decide to have fun with it to? reallllllll cool man. hypocrite

and this is my main account, i just started to post on volleyballmag. sorry i didnt kno sophmores wernt allowde to post on herre. jerk

Wait ur a soph but ur account is called frosh? Huh and y do u talk up deerfields rightside so much? I mean I'm pretty sure that kid already has like 2 accounts haha
chillinois
QUOTE(iplayvolleyball @ May 16 2009, 12:12 PM) *

sandburg should be wayyy up there. their team is just a sophomore team but they re 30-0 and have played in two jv tournaments which includes a win over WWS jv in two... Also, lake park has a solid jv team as well and should be included somewhere here on this list.

not to mention that when you played them (i believe you're referring to playing them at their own tournament), they were missing their starting setter. hes a sophomore and hes pretty solid. the reason is that he travels with varsity to their tournaments so he isnt allowed to play in the jv tournaments because of an ihsa rule (one that i actually agree with)
setmoneyy4
Yeah doesn't Sandburg's soph team have a bunch of players for ultimate 16 gold? 5-6 of them I'm pretty sure?
iplayvolleyball
QUOTE(setmoneyy4 @ May 16 2009, 05:23 PM) *

Yeah doesn't Sandburg's soph team have a bunch of players for ultimate 16 gold? 5-6 of them I'm pretty sure?


5 from ultimate 16 gold
2 from ultimate 16 blue
1 from cvc 17-1s
2 who dont play club cause of other sports
setmoneyy4
They're are going to have a solid varsity team the next few years I'm assuming..
andrasco
QUOTE(setmoneyy4 @ May 16 2009, 11:53 PM) *

They're are going to have a solid varsity team the next few years I'm assuming..

The T.F. North Sectional is going to be very very tough for sandburg with marist and provi there for the next couple years...
setmoneyy4
i think sandburgs going to be the one to watch out for in that sectional the next few years..
digz
What is the point of JV, anyway? Do some schools actually practice with these teams?
storm
neuqua? we went undefeated this season... not like jv matters just sayin
corn to the dog3
yah dude not even straight
neuqua dominated all year
by far the best jv team
full of sophmores and are gonna be a force soon
and frosh you need to stop sucking that deerfield guys d ick
salmon
QUOTE(corn to the dog3 @ May 21 2009, 11:49 PM) *

yah dude not even straight
neuqua dominated all year
by far the best jv team
full of sophmores and are gonna be a force soon
and frosh you need to stop sucking that deerfield guys d ick

a jv team full of sophomores? NO WAY. THAT IS SICK
iplayvolleyball
QUOTE(storm @ May 21 2009, 08:53 PM) *

neuqua? we went undefeated this season... not like jv matters just sayin


who does nequa have in terms of club and who have they beaten?... im not saying they re bad i just want to know more about them.
vbfan60148
QUOTE(salmon @ May 22 2009, 12:00 AM) *

a jv team full of sophomores? NO WAY. THAT IS SICK


Sarcasm? I like it! biggrin.gif
storm
QUOTE(iplayvolleyball @ May 22 2009, 07:03 PM) *

who does nequa have in terms of club and who have they beaten?... im not saying they re bad i just want to know more about them.



Umm
Jon Storm SPVB 16 Mizuno
Conner Dart SPVB 16 Mizuno
Tommy Stevens SPVB 15 Mizuno-only freshie
Tanner Mckewin SPVB 16 Runbird
Alex Blackwell SPVB 16 Runbird
Mitch Dougherty SPVB 16 Runbird
Casey Hounsel NVC
Chris keenen NVC
Mike Kerzdyn NVC
Drew antenen NVC
Zach Gilligan SOVA
Ryan Lauthe NVC 17-Junior
Nick Michael NVC 17-Sophmore

Ryan Krackenfels- No club

We beat lincoln way east, minooka, lake park, wabounsie, and idk some others but yeah we were undefeated


corn to the dog3
storm your f ucking hilarious listing everyone
but dude dont even talk s hit
your probably just a fat p ussy... salmon
middy124
to froshoppo18: why are you starting a thread just to talk up deerfield's jv team. I mean, I can only assume you go to deerfield because your post reeks of doucheness

nobody cares about jv, and the fact that you would start a thread about it speaks volumes about how you spend your free time

OH SNAP! I SMELLZ ME a forum fight d00d!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!



chillinois
QUOTE(middy124 @ May 24 2009, 10:13 PM) *

to froshoppo18: why are you starting a thread just to talk up deerfield's jv team. I mean, I can only assume you go to deerfield because your post reeks of doucheness

nobody cares about jv, and the fact that you would start a thread about it speaks volumes about how you spend your free time

OH SNAP! I SMELLZ ME a forum fight d00d!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!

speaking of doucheness. please see above
middy124
QUOTE(chillinois @ May 24 2009, 10:46 PM) *

speaking of doucheness. please see above

OH NOES TWO DEERFIELDIES, WILL YOU SING YOUR FIGHT SONG AFTER YOU BEAT ME TO A BLOODY PULP?!?!
zzzzry
In the conference tournament, Highland Park beat New Trier so I would have to say the top 5 JV teams in Illinois are

1) Highland Park
2) Deerfield
3) GBN
4) Stevenson
5) New Trier
redhawk11
I would have to say the best team in Illinois is:
1. St. Joe's
2. No one cares
3. Deerfield suc ks and no one cares about this thread
4. Ihave nothing better to do right now becuz im outta college and freshmen and sophomores who post on this and think they have any input that anoyone cares about are idiots
ssvball1
QUOTE(redhawk11 @ May 25 2009, 10:32 AM) *

I would have to say the best team in Illinois is:
1. St. Joe's
2. No one cares
3. Deerfield suc ks and no one cares about this thread
4. Ihave nothing better to do right now becuz im outta college and freshmen and sophomores who post on this and think they have any input that anoyone cares about are idiots

JV doesnt matter, the good freshman and sophomores should already be on varsity...
cubdude21
Why cant people talk about their JV teams... how does it affect you? Its not even on the Illinois Volleyball Forum so I dont get why its a huge deal.

Also, to the person who said it was

HP
Deerfield
GBN
Stevenson
New Trier

GBN beat deerfield in the final of the tournament youre talking about, so shouldnt they be no. 1?
spartans011
i know its just jv, but wheaton s. francis should be metioned since they beat glenbard east, lake park, wheaton south, providence, and naperville central just to name a few plus they have only sophomores.

also sandburg is absolutely ridiculous
naperville north and marist are also very strong
chillinois
QUOTE(zzzzry @ May 25 2009, 01:19 AM) *

In the conference tournament, Highland Park beat New Trier so I would have to say the top 5 JV teams in Illinois are

1) Highland Park
2) Deerfield
3) GBN
4) Stevenson
5) New Trier

I dont think the 5 best JV teams can all be from up north.

QUOTE
I would have to say the best team in Illinois is:
1. St. Joe's
2. No one cares
3. Deerfield suc ks and no one cares about this thread
4. Ihave nothing better to do right now becuz im outta college and freshmen and sophomores who post on this and think they have any input that anoyone cares about are idiots

dude, just let them have this thread. give them a break. they realize that the majority does not care. it obviously was of some use because it gave you something to do for a good three minutes so you should be thanking them.

QUOTE
JV doesnt matter, the good freshman and sophomores should already be on varsity...

i definitely dont agree with this. id like to think that i was once pretty good at volleyball and i was on jv as a sophomore. teams that have good programs usually dont have room for younger players that wouldnt get playing time on varsity. the coaches would much rather give them playing time on freshmen/jv and to build chemistry with the players that they will be playing with the next couple years on varsity.
vballboy555
QUOTE(cubdude21 @ May 25 2009, 11:29 AM) *

Why cant people talk about their JV teams... how does it affect you? Its not even on the Illinois Volleyball Forum so I dont get why its a huge deal.

Also, to the person who said it was

HP
Deerfield
GBN
Stevenson
New Trier

GBN beat deerfield in the final of the tournament youre talking about, so shouldnt they be no. 1?

Also stevenson beat Deerfield and new trier... And lost to gbn... I would put gbn above deerfield
middy124
yeah deerfield has lost to gbn twice, and if you lose a championship game in two to a team you've beaten in two before that says alot about how good your team really is
redhawk11
QUOTE(cubdude21 @ May 25 2009, 11:29 AM) *

Why cant people talk about their JV teams... how does it affect you? Its not even on the Illinois Volleyball Forum so I dont get why its a huge deal.

Also, to the person who said it was

HP
Deerfield
GBN
Stevenson
New Trier

GBN beat deerfield in the final of the tournament youre talking about, so shouldnt they be no. 1?

if these teams were better than a team like sandburg (cuz i know they have a kid on A1), then why wouldnt they move a couple of their kids up to varsity, cuz other than GBN, they are all garbage varsity teams. so this is obviously a terrible list with much more teams south that should be in it
vballboy555
QUOTE(redhawk11 @ May 25 2009, 02:38 PM) *

if these teams were better than a team like sandburg (cuz i know they have a kid on A1), then why wouldnt they move a couple of their kids up to varsity, cuz other than GBN, they are all garbage varsity teams. so this is obviously a terrible list with much more teams south that should be in it

I really wouldn't consider new trier or stevensons varsity teams garbage... Deerfield is good this year too..
cubdude21
QUOTE(vballboy555 @ May 25 2009, 02:50 PM) *

I really wouldn't consider new trier or stevensons varsity teams garbage... Deerfield is good this year too..


Highland Parks good too...
iplayvolleyball
QUOTE(ssvball1 @ May 25 2009, 11:22 AM) *

JV doesnt matter, the good freshman and sophomores should already be on varsity...


this may come out bad but a lot of the top jv players would be starters on most varsity teams.

also if you re gonna talk up a team include if and where their players play club cause so far it seems like sandburg, nequa, and lake park are the only credible top tier teams.
sandburg has a sophomore up on varsity too. do any other top jv teams have sophomores (or freshmen) playing up?
jax90291
how does the club that the person plays for make their high school team more credible? this might be slightly true for varsity, but on JV teams there are a lot of kids who are just discovering volleyball and have a lot of raw talent. so while it is significant to say that, hypothetically, sandburg JV has a ton of really good ultimate kids, that doesn't necessarily make them better than a JV team of kids that started off raw and athletic, and then turned into good volleyball players as the season progressed.

so be careful when making the assumption that sandburg, nequa, and lake park are the only "credible teams."
zzzzry
Yea maybe you can argue that GBN is better than Deerfield since they won the tournament, but they did not get a chance to play Highland Park in the tourney because they lost to Deerfield and then beat New Trier.....during the season Highland Park beat GBN twice and never lost... so it is a close call between Deerfield, Highland Park, and GBN
JLetten
QUOTE(vballboy555 @ May 16 2009, 01:33 PM) *

Wait ur a soph but ur account is called frosh? Huh and y do u talk up deerfields rightside so much? I mean I'm pretty sure that kid already has like 2 accounts haha



i have one account
its this one

QUOTE(cubdude21 @ May 25 2009, 11:29 AM) *

Why cant people talk about their JV teams... how does it affect you? Its not even on the Illinois Volleyball Forum so I dont get why its a huge deal.

Also, to the person who said it was

HP
Deerfield
GBN
Stevenson
New Trier

GBN beat deerfield in the final of the tournament youre talking about, so shouldnt they be no. 1?


deerfield went 4-0 vs. HP only dropping one set to them in the CSL north championship which Deerfield won
they took out GBN in 2 winning by 8 or so points at home the week before that
middy124
QUOTE(JLetten @ May 25 2009, 07:59 PM) *

they took out GBN in 2 winning by 8 or so points at home the week before that


gbn also took you guys out in two in the final match of the csl invite on saturday and beat you in two at gbn
JLetten
QUOTE(middy124 @ May 25 2009, 08:08 PM) *

gbn also took you guys out in two in the final match of the csl invite on saturday and beat you in two at gbn


doesnt make up for their 3rd place finish. we just played some bad volleyball both days
cubdude21
QUOTE(JLetten @ May 25 2009, 08:29 PM) *

doesnt make up for their 3rd place finish. we just played some bad volleyball both days



you cant say youre better than a team that beat you twice
iplayvolleyball
QUOTE(jax90291 @ May 25 2009, 04:19 PM) *

how does the club that the person plays for make their high school team more credible? this might be slightly true for varsity, but on JV teams there are a lot of kids who are just discovering volleyball and have a lot of raw talent. so while it is significant to say that, hypothetically, sandburg JV has a ton of really good ultimate kids, that doesn't necessarily make them better than a JV team of kids that started off raw and athletic, and then turned into good volleyball players as the season progressed.

so be careful when making the assumption that sandburg, nequa, and lake park are the only "credible teams."


you dont turn into a good volleyball player as a season progresses. sure its possible that really athletic kids that dont play club can make up a good team but players from the top clubs are athletic AND play year round. you can improve over the course of a season, dont get me wrong, but players who have good club experience are more often better players than players who dont play clubs so asking for the players who play club from each team is a legitimate request. jv players who play for top clubs at the top jv schools are usually stuck behind jrs and srs on varsity anyways so if its "slightly true" for varsity then it has to be at least slightly true for jv as well.
corn to the dog3
this guys got it down to a point
its hard to be playing varsity when your playing behind rob bauer
jax90291
QUOTE(iplayvolleyball @ May 25 2009, 10:31 PM) *

you dont turn into a good volleyball player as a season progresses. sure its possible that really athletic kids that dont play club can make up a good team but players from the top clubs are athletic AND play year round. you can improve over the course of a season, dont get me wrong, but players who have good club experience are more often better players than players who dont play clubs so asking for the players who play club from each team is a legitimate request. jv players who play for top clubs at the top jv schools are usually stuck behind jrs and srs on varsity anyways so if its "slightly true" for varsity then it has to be at least slightly true for jv as well.

even if i were to take everything you just said as fact, you still shouldn't make a sweeping generalization that those particular teams are the only "credible" ones based on where they play club.

a separate point for consideration: JV is a stepping stone to varsity. by the time you get to your senior year, it doesn't really matter where you have played club, as long as you have practiced hard and gotten good. by that time, the playing field has evened out a lot. you'll find that the kid who has been playing club since he was 8 is no better than the big, athletic, former basketball player that picked up the volleyball sophomore year. there will be plenty of varsity teams that will go very far in playoffs, and you will ask, "where do those guys play club?" and some of the answers might shock you.

so while you might consider the club that someone plays at to be an all-telling gauge of his skills right now, i can guarantee that soon enough it won't matter.

ps: im not trying to be belligerent with any of this, don't take it as such, it's just dumb when great players get overlooked because of where they play club.
digger
QUOTE(jax90291 @ May 26 2009, 01:44 AM) *

so while you might consider the club that someone plays at to be an all-telling gauge of his skills right now, i can guarantee that soon enough it won't matter.

ps: im not trying to be belligerent with any of this, don't take it as such, it's just dumb when great players get overlooked because of where they play club.

But 99.9% of the time the best kids all play at club & at good ones. Take the top 10, 15 or 20 players in the state. None of them play at TNT, CVC or other clubs like that. I am not even saying it is bad to play for those clubs, but you have to be crazy if you havent noticied that they best players all come from and play at the best clubs. Name 2 kids that are in the top 20 in the state that dont play club?
Or even better name a kid who is going to college to play volleyball that doesnt play club?
I am not trying to be belligerent with any of this either, its just a fact the best kids by far play club and at a good one.
Vballa15
QUOTE(digger @ May 26 2009, 12:16 PM) *

But 99.9% of the time the best kids all play at club & at good ones. Take the top 10, 15 or 20 players in the state. None of them play at TNT, CVC or other clubs like that. I am not even saying it is bad to play for those clubs, but you have to be crazy if you havent noticied that they best players all come from and play at the best clubs. Name 2 kids that are in the top 20 in the state that dont play club?
Or even better name a kid who is going to college to play volleyball that doesnt play club?
I am not trying to be belligerent with any of this either, its just a fact the best kids by far play club and at a good one.


Actually, a bunch of ppl from St. Rita play or played on CVC. All of stevenson and vernon hills (including me) played for tnt this year, stevenson had their own separate team, and the BG libero played for the other TNT team too. There are a number of good players that come from clubs other than ultimate, adversity, and spri. Can we keep the club bashing down?? I know you said you're not even saying it is bad to play for those clubs, but there are good players at all sorts of different clubs.
digger
QUOTE(Vballa15 @ May 26 2009, 12:41 PM) *

Actually, a bunch of ppl from St. Rita play or played on CVC. All of stevenson and vernon hills (including me) played for tnt this year, stevenson had their own separate team, and the BG libero played for the other TNT team too. There are a number of good players that come from clubs other than ultimate, adversity, and spri. Can we keep the club bashing down?? I know you said you're not even saying it is bad to play for those clubs, but there are good players at all sorts of different clubs.

let me say again, i am not trying to be rude just stating facts. not one player from the top 20 players in the state dont play club and all of them come from top clubs. not being rude just noticing the odvious. also st. rita is average at best and are lucky to have an easy sectional. who are the really good players from rita & CVC?
cubdude21
QUOTE(digger @ May 26 2009, 01:27 PM) *

let me say again, i am not trying to be rude just stating facts. not one player from the top 20 players in the state dont play club and all of them come from top clubs. not being rude just noticing the odvious. also st. rita is average at best and are lucky to have an easy sectional. who are the really good players from rita & CVC?



buffalo groves setter doesnt play club and hes pretty darn good
iplayvolleyball
QUOTE(jax90291 @ May 26 2009, 01:44 AM) *

even if i were to take everything you just said as fact, you still shouldn't make a sweeping generalization that those particular teams are the only "credible" ones based on where they play club.

a separate point for consideration: JV is a stepping stone to varsity. by the time you get to your senior year, it doesn't really matter where you have played club, as long as you have practiced hard and gotten good. by that time, the playing field has evened out a lot. you'll find that the kid who has been playing club since he was 8 is no better than the big, athletic, former basketball player that picked up the volleyball sophomore year. there will be plenty of varsity teams that will go very far in playoffs, and you will ask, "where do those guys play club?" and some of the answers might shock you.

so while you might consider the club that someone plays at to be an all-telling gauge of his skills right now, i can guarantee that soon enough it won't matter.

ps: im not trying to be belligerent with any of this, don't take it as such, it's just dumb when great players get overlooked because of where they play club.


alright prove me wrong. name one contending team that is built around a core of guys who dont play club. I'm not saying hte only way we can settle who the best jv team is if we know where they all play club (the only true way is to have them all play eachother) however thats the best gauge we have now of the talent level. sure a team might have a few guys who are super athletic and can contribute, but theres not gonna be a jv team with no club experience that can compete with a jv team that has 9 or 10 club players. and lastly, shock me. where do joe kelly, joe smalzer, larry, and a the other top players in the state play club? name some players who dont play club that are widely known.
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