It's right here on the volleyball magazine website!

http://www.volleyballmag.com/archive/2009/Fab50.php

Doesn't Larry play at Adversity not Ultimate?

sorry but I have to say this is the worst fab 50 ever.. lot of people missing, and way to many people on it who don't deserve to be on the fab 50.. anyone else agree

I agree, no offense to Copper Neser but there is no way he should make fab 50 over Arik Metzger.

I think the players they named from the east coast are spot on

Mike Stefani - going with Pace to Nationals OHIO
Pat - Going with Eden to Nationals PRINCETON
Turko Going with Yorktowne PSU
Keggeris Going with Yorktowne PSU
Comfort - Going with Eden PSU

Those the ones I saw quickly.

CONGRATS!!!

What does Cooper have to do with Arik not making it. There are 50 spots. Cooper didn't take a spot from Arik. I agree that Aric should of made it. But Cooper should have deffiently be on this list.

With the players listed. Man oh day it sounds like balboa bay and pacific pal. ARE GOING TO BE TOUGH AT THE 18S.

um sorry to say this but its not just going to be balboa and pali doing well in the 18s... dont get to exicted in ur pants there... any team in the top 10 in southern cal from the 18s can win it and its all going to come down to the last 2 days of jo's

The HS class of 2009 just has no "great" players -- not a really special list this year.

This is a weak class.

I just noticed Charlie Condron didn't make Fab 50 either. that is BS he is better than the other liberos that made it.

nobody from SMBC or OCVC? Smbc is top 5 in scva....bad list

Never knew his name until I saw the picture on the list, but Nick Gibson from NSMVC is straight filthy. The kids from IL are pretty standard WWS-GBE, SPVB/Ultimate kids which is disappointing but expected. Agreed that it is a weak class.

It's not like the Fab 50 matters for anything anyways.

very true.. conor hughes is pretty good, as well as tanner jansen, and mckibbin is good but his mental game needs to step up but that goes along with pretty much every single person that plays club volleyball because very few know actually how to play and to get their entire team to fire up when they're playing as well.. kind of sad to see that.. metzger does an alright good job of doing that

Some pretty darn good players on this list, guys that are going to be contributing at the next level. I would have liked to see Mike Wilder or Chris Pratt on the list but I'm not sure who I'd take off the list to make room.

someone always disagrees with who is on Fab 50. They even said that three years ago when colleges agreed it was the 2nd best graduating class they ever had.

did michael dye not make it cuz he's uncommited? cuz he's really good and shoulda made it...

Cooper Neser has a dirty stache.

I agree completely

robbie stoeckinger huh? you mean the kid that doesnt play at all for anyone cuz he sucks? fab 50 over kids that are good, what a joke.

can everyone stop crying that they didnt see themselves or their best friend on the list oh no. like the thing means anything at all. of course others should be on it and some people on there are questionable, that pretty much agreed by everyone.

but in all honesty who cares whatsoever, it's not like people are going to care about this list in about 2 months anyway so don't just flame the thread saying oh this kid should be on here and this kid shouldn't.

dont you play 15's bro?...

remind me how that relates to you getting pissed over a list thats a fluke. for all i know you deserve to be on it but at the same time, it will change nothing whether you are on it or not.

im not a senior. i know you play balboa, now stop acting like a ****** and get it together

im not trying to "not have it together", im not attacking you im just saying calm down the list is a joke.

as your superior balboaian, you should stop being a volleynerd.
ur face is a joke

its easy to say this doesnt matter when you arent up for it.

theres not a lot recognition a volleyball player can get and i think this does matter when it comes to pride.

and no alex becherer, really? its not like he was state player of the year and if im not mistaken this is based off of high school performance.

Its not based on High School performance, it's supposed to be based on how attractive a recruit they are. What I don't understand is why they moved up the dates vs previous years, which screwed kids that hadn't committed yet since they would get the coaches vote (not a bird in hand) even if they were the top recruit for the school. If you look at a related thread you can see the history of their picks was already under attack as a poor predictor of college achievement and this years added distortions is unlikely to improve their track record.

I think its interesting that no Santa Barbara players made it. The only player on the list from anywhere within a 40 mile radius is Jon Bridgeman, when Santa Barbara has Sam Biscaro (University of Hawaii & bronze at 2008 JO's), Taylor Fauntleroy (NYU & gold at 2008 JO's), and Chris Pratt (Possibly UCSB & gold at 2008 JO's). Sure a lot of good players are coming from more southern california towns, but I definitally think these guys deserved a spot on the list.

The list is largely based off how, as someone else put it, "attractive of a recruit they are." Players going to Hawaii, New York University, and ones who aren't even committed yet won't be included.

Watch them play, then tell me how "attractive of a recruit they are." Its not because of there skill that they got asked by NYU and Hawaii instead of UCI or Pepperdine, its because they arent from Manhattan Beach, where nearly everyone cluttering the town is a College scout.

I'm not saying they're bad, they're obviously quite good, but my point is that they aren't being heavily recruited. The basis of the list is how high they rank among recruits. For example, Maurice Torres was included because he was considered the nation's #1 recruit. Not to say that he's the absolute #1 unquestionable best (although there's no doubt he's among them), but he's the one that the most colleges were trying to get. The players you mentioned are definitely great if they can carry a team as far as they have, but if they're not being recruited to top schools, they won't make it.

My original point actually was about the timing of the article (earlier than years past) - which worked to against kids that waited on commiting- even when being heavily recruited by top schools. Coaches won't promote kids they don't have a commit from- so they vote on who the locked down by the vote date- instead of the kid that was their top recruit - but hadn't het committed. Why not wait until after the May 1 commit dates and then see what the votes fall.

Well I actually think it's somewhat evident that they still favor players who are committed. Loyola's MB Michael Dye was uncommitted when they made the list and they only put him on honorable mention, which was pretty ridiculous considering how good he is.

That was my point on focusing on the timing of the list. College coaches are only interested in voting on the "top recruits" they have commitments from. In effect the list is giving a new unintended tool to get commitments earlier when they don't have scholarships to offer (Ivy League - like Michael choice) or spent them all on last year's recruits (easy enough to figure out which those are). So this becomes the best list of those that committed early- whether or not they were ultimately a top recruit / or pick as an impact player. So once again why did they move the date up this year because it wasn't this early in years past. Hawaii doesn't announce early - does that mean they don't get top recruits (well at least after dust settles from past issues and new changes).

Maurice Torres is in no way the #1 recruit in the nation for the class of '09.

Yes, Mo can jump and pump. But his hitting percentage is weak and serving is way less than 50%.

Watch him play. He hides in the back row because he cannot pass to save his life. His mental aspect of the game is highly suspect. Marv has plenty of work to do, but if anyone can bring out the best in Torres, he can.

In two years or so he could be a beast, but he could not carry Olu very far into the playoffs this year.

When I said Maurice was the top recruit in the nation, I wasn't saying he was the best, that would be insane. Players like Connor Hughes, Maddison McKibbin, Robbie Stoeckinger, Ian Satterfield, etc.. are all as good or better. However, it was generally said that he was the one all the coaches were after, considered the #1 recruit. Then what you said comes into play. He got put on because everyone wanted him on their team, but for the reasons you listed, he was probably not considered for Captain.

But since you're on the topic, I'm betting Maurice will be one of the best Oppos in college volleyball soon. Marv will solve any problems he has if Maurice is willing to listen. He'll be an interesting one to follow through his college career.

I agree, and I love to watch him play, he has great passion, he just needs to control it when he makes a few bad shots or serves.

Marv is one of the masterminds in training and developing young players into world class status. I would love to see that because Torres has the tool set to be great, imho.

And to others that say the Class of '09 is not great, I disagree. After watching the OC All Star game this week, you have to think some of these SoCal guys are future stars in the making. Certainly better than the class of '10...

That's all that's separating him from being the best there is, his mental game. Very few people have the same physical skill he has, or have the potential he has, and Marv will definitely bring out the best in him.

Speaking of this, who are some players you'll be interested in watching throughout their college career. One I'll definitely watch closely is Ian Satterfield. He's already a powerhouse at Pali and was the go-to guy at Costa, definitely one of the best OHs in the country. However, there were a lot of things that he can work on. His timing's a little off and his swing is a little strange. Just imagine how good he can be if he's already this good with some things a little off.

Connor Hughes will obviously be fun to watch, as he's probably the best player coming out of the class of '09.

Lastly, Maddison McKibbin will be interesting to watch because I'm not sure what he'll be doing. Will he take someone's position next year? Will he fill in when Troy and Bourne graduate?