I have a question. When will the NCAA expand men's volleyball to other big schools. There are only 2 teams from the big 10, and barely any others besides the ones from the PAC-10. San Diego State stopped their team in 2000. I believe that men's volleyball is growing tremendously in America. Besides the State of California, athletes from Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, Florida, and other east coast states have tons of incoming players. It makes me angry when I see kids who have good enough talent to play D-I or II college volleyball and cannot because of a lack of teams. [/u][/b]. I especially hate it when all these medeocre girls v-ball players can go play anywhere and all area boys players find it hard to play at the collegiate level.

also, if anyone knows of new DI or II vball programs on the rise, let us know!

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I agree with you, but with the economy taking a big hit now, it will become increasingly tougher to field D1 and DII programs thuout the US. I am an asst Coach for a Womens DIII school and I have guys ask me why we don't run a mens program and the answer is $$ and a lack of teams in the area. If more schools had an outcry for mens programs I think you would start a buzz and maybe get more schools try to create programs, But until the economy gets back on its feet That won't happend.

Limiting the discussion to DI/DII

Grand Canyon (AZ) started up in 2009.
Pfeiffer (NC) and Limestone (SC) start up in 2010.
All three are DII.
East Stroudsburg is closing down after this year. Another DII folded last year.
Net gain of 1 in three years.

For a DIII update read the thread labeled:
Men's Volleyball Division III Update (AVCA)

NAIA is also growing...

I believe it's also a Title IX issue because if they were to create a new varsity sport and offer scholarships, then an equal number of female opportunities have to be created.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
But, yes, it always comes back to money in some form.

No youre exactly right Title IX is handcuffing boys volleyball and its a terrible because grow at the colleigate level is the biggest step and i know of a lot of people pushing for it in colleges but it just cant happen until they take out Title XI.

you all are spot on with Title IX, however...
i believe i have heard something about Beach Volleyball being added as a womens sport...i think there will be a year period to test it or something which could slingshot mens volleyball to be added almost everywhere if it happens

What gets me mad is that schools that want to add it as a scholarship sport can't because they need to offer the same amount of sports scholarships to a men's sport as they do a women's sport. This is just garbage because I know some schools who only offer volleyball to girls and golf to boys, where they can easily just offer both sports to men and women.

Another rumor in the midwest is that Cardinal Stritch (currently NAIA) is switching to DII in the fall of 2010, therefore in the spring of 2011 would be a DII volleyball program.

Adelphia in NY started a mens club team and are hoping to enter a division next year

King College in TN is/was evaluating moving from NAIA to DII...

its actually going to be called sand volleyball and the problem with that is all the girls from the indoor team just playo n the beach so there arent gunna be alot of recuiting done which means there wont be any new scholarships...

the question is how long before this happens? because I'm a junior... and as you could guess... time is of the essence ya know?

What is the incentive to switch to DII. I realize it will allow for scholarships but I would think
that in the NCAA it would be hard to compete with the big programs.
King could potentially compete for a National NAIA title with the top programs like Cal baptist, Park U. etc..
(they are presently still a great deal behind the better NAIA programs) I cann't see them ever competing with PSU or Pepperdine, etc.
Just wondering; why consider going DII

Not alot of sand in the midwest, but should open some doors in the areas where sand is strong.

I don't personally know but I imagine the decision to go from NAIA to DII has little to nothing to do with the men's volleyball program. A school cannot split it individual sports between NCAA and NAIA so the decision is probably related to sports other than men's volleyball. It may be driven by the the draw of NCAA over NAIA or they may want to join a conference that is currently all NCAA or it may be the close proximity of NCAA DII schools versus NAIA schools (cut down travel costs), etc...

I'm sorry man, but do you know what Title IX has done for equality in sports? I mean do you actually know what it has given people? If you want to get angry at sports funding at colleges, get mad at football. Women only represent about 40% of collegiate sports, and on top of that only receive about 5% of the coverage. Football gets millions of dollars to fund hundreds of players, most never play, tens of coaching staff, and fancy hotels. Do some thinking before you just throw out equality like that.

well you should also know that Title IX has done what it needed to do but now its just hurting other smaller sports...yes it has doen great things but is it really necessary right now girls have what they need and dont even mention changing football because that will neverrrrrr happen just trust me it will never happen, but what im saying is just exclude football from Title IX and all sides are happy

This is certainly a sensitive subject, but for every person that title IX helps, it also hurts someone. My alma mater lost it's baseball team. You have to look at both sides of that. Programs have been cut, period.

Look, Title IX applies to high schools too, it's not just colleges and it's not just sports. High schools find a way to fund these sports and be compliant. Any establishment that accepts federal funding is held to their criteria. I love college football, love it, but it's true that it takes sometimes half a school's budget to fund it. And the funds come from tuition and fees mostly. Anyone that says that football makes money, is telling only a half-truth. It subsidizes some costs, but not all.

So here's what volleyball could do, look at schools that do not have football programs, and apply the pressure there. "Big name" Division I schools, like Gonzaga, Bradley, DePaul, Creighton, Xavier, Marquette, Seton Hall, Wichita State, University of Illinois Chicago. These are schools that could "easily" add volleyball programs right? There are many others. Then there's DII...

I agree with Title IX and all, but you can't knock football programs for getting so much funding. Football teams at Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Florida, Penn State, UCLA, and other schools provide nearly all of the income for the athletic department. So in a way, they deserve more of the funding since they support smaller spots such as soccer, volleyball, baseball, and softball.

I believe King is considering because there is a new Carolinas Conference for next year which includes D2 programs which are lumped together with D1 programs for mens vball. There will eventually be 6 teams in the new conference, most next year. I also know of a new D3 team near Albany, NY
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No offense johnebb but a new DI-II conference in the Carolinas with at least 6 teams...doesn't that mean they will get a bid into the NCAA Championships AKA the Final Four? I see no way the West Coast teams and even the existing MIVA and EIVA teams would let this happen without an expansion!

Even with that said, we really do not need any more DI-II conferences! The MIVA is only around six teams and I'm pretty sure the EIVA is around that number also. Some additions to these quality conferences would be nice.

But I guess to keep costs down and the game on the rise this is the comprimse we have come to...


There's no automatic bid. There will be 5 teams for next year, and probably 6 or more in 2011. The volleyball setup is so political. Even IF a southern team beat PSU, Ball State and OSU their schedule as out of conference, and had like 3 losses they would NEVER get an at-large bid. Look at the AVCA rankings. They are a joke. In D1-D2, there are 5 teams with 500 or less record that are ranked. D3 is just as bad. NYU has 9 wins and a 5-10 record against their own D3 schools, and they are ranked 7th!?!?
I also know that schools down south are willing to pay schools up north to play in tournaments down there, but they don't. It's kind of of apparent the MIVA and EIVA don't want expansion, and/or the added travel to expose the sport, and hence inspire the lesser teams. They probably like their own small conference as it's easier to get in the only four spots that way. So this conference will be a nice way for more kids to play in college, still play some better teams on out of conference trips north and west, and get to play for their own conference title. Thanks for listening.

so now that its "official", how will the implementation of sand volleyball for womens affect most bigger schools that dont currently have programs?
http://usavolleyball.org/news/article/12131

Point taken, thanks for eloborating!

It's official as I posted before. See the link below. There's a new v-ball conference down south. One more team to that conference, and as mentioned in the article, the NCAA championships would probably expand to 8 teams. Exciting news for guys like my son playing down there next year.
I imagine the addition of sand volleyball might allow equal funding for mens volleyball for future conferences. I think we can thank the gold medal team for some of this interest. But I believe I read there was about 28% increase in boys HS teams nationwide also has something to do with it over the last few years.

http://www.conferencecarolinas.com/sports/...CCIntroducesMVB

Men's NCAA DII Conference

Conference Carolinas to Be First NCAA DII League to Introduce Men’s Volleyball

League will Emerge as Fourth Men’s Volleyball Conference on National Scene

High Point, NC> Conference Carolinas will introduce men’s volleyball as a new conference emerging sport for the 2010 spring season. The league will be the first and only comprised of just NCAA DII institutions, as well as the first and only league under an actual NCAA supported conference. Conference Carolinas becomes a pioneer in influencing the future of the men’s volleyball national championships.

“This is tremendous for men’s volleyball across the country,” stated Jamie Petrik, the Lees-McRae men’s volleyball coach. “A new conference, a new championship, and with the addition of one more team, we will bid for a spot in the NCAA championships, most likely causing an expansion to eight teams.”

Five teams will make up the league in its inaugural season. Current institutions in Conference Carolinas who field teams are Lees-McRae College and Mount Olive College. They will be joined by fellow league members Limestone College and Pfeiffer University who will support teams for the first year in program history. King College will round-out the conference as an associate league member. The Tornado, who will be fielding a team for their third upcoming season, will be welcomed into the league with full men’s volleyball membership privileges.

"Conference Carolinas new commitment to men's volleyball is very exciting" stated Pfeiffer Head Coach and men’s volleyball league coaches’ chairperson Ben Guiliano. "Between the additions of new programs at Limestone and Pfeiffer, the addition of King College and the existing teams at Mount Olive and Lees-McRae, the foundation for a viable volleyball culture is solid."

The league will be just the fourth conference on the men’s volleyball national scene and will compete against DI, DII, and DIII competition. The other DI-DII men’s volleyball conferences are the Eastern Intercollegiate Volleyball Association (EIVA), the Midwest Intercollegiate Volleyball Association (MIVA), and the Mountain Pacific Sports Federation (MPSF).

Conference regular season competition will be played using a double-round robin format, with teams playing each other twice during the year. Regular season play will determine the top two teams and seeds that will play each other for the conference championship in a one game playoff. The inaugural men’s volleyball conference championship will be hosted by the highest seeded team on Saturday April 17, 2010.

"Conference Carolinas is excited be the first NCAA DII only conference to add Men's Volleyball as an emerging sport,” stated Conference Commissioner Alan Patterson. “It affords the opportunity for many terrific high school players to continue competing at a high level in an exciting and fast moving sport. Men's volleyball is a welcome addition to the Conference Carolinas family of sports."

Conference Carolinas sponsors championship sports in men’s & women’s cross country, men’s & women’s soccer, men’s & women’s volleyball, men’s & women’s basketball, baseball, softball, men’s & women’s tennis, men’s & women’s golf, men’s & women’s lacrosse and men’s & women’s outdoor track & field. Members of the league include: Anderson University (Anderson, SC); Barton College (Wilson, NC); Belmont Abbey College (Belmont, NC); Coker College (Hartsville, SC); Converse College (Spartanburg, SC); Erskine College (Due West, SC); Lees-McRae College (Banner Elk, NC); Limestone College (Gaffney, SC); Mount Olive College (Mount Olive, NC); Pfeiffer University (Misenheimer, NC); Queens University of Charlotte (Charlotte, NC); and St. Andrews Presbyterian College (Laurinburg, NC). Kings College (Bristol, TN) is an associate member in men’s volleyball.

Conference Carolinas is a proud member of the NCAA and Division II. Division II is a dynamic and engaging group of colleges, institutions, and conferences of varying sizes and educational missions. Division II members encourage and support diversity; value sportsmanship, fairness and equity; and place the highest priority on the overall educational excellence of the student-athlete.


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