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Bruce Wayne
Best highschool team in nation-Are there national rankings for highschool vb, there is for football, basketball,idk what else but if not than best team from each state.
cb426
QUOTE(Bruce Wayne @ Oct 7 2006, 07:06 PM) *

Best highschool team in nation-Are there national rankings for highschool vb, there is for football, basketball,idk what else but if not than best team from each state.


Corona del Mar
kelian9
QUOTE(Bruce Wayne @ Oct 7 2006, 07:06 PM) *

Best highschool team in nation-Are there national rankings for highschool vb, there is for football, basketball,idk what else but if not than best team from each state.

National Rankings are not needed. All you need is southern california rankings, and the team at #1 in those would be the national champs because no high school vball compares to socal.
cb426
QUOTE(kelian9 @ Oct 7 2006, 08:43 PM) *

National Rankings are not needed. All you need is southern california rankings, and the team at #1 in those would be the national champs because no high school vball compares to socal.


true dat
libero110
QUOTE(kelian9 @ Oct 7 2006, 11:43 PM) *

National Rankings are not needed. All you need is southern california rankings, and the team at #1 in those would be the national champs because no high school vball compares to socal.

have to agree that prolly 8 out of 10 would be socal teams but would have to say marquette university high school has an amazing team from wisconsin n could compete with anyteam in the nation and ive seen couple great teams from illinois and the st louis region. have to agree with most teams would be socal but i dont think you can say there would b no need to look at any other teams in the nation.I think alot of people would be suprised by a couple teams play in the midwest.
bic
QUOTE(libero110 @ Oct 7 2006, 09:11 PM) *

have to agree that prolly 8 out of 10 would be socal teams but would have to say marquette university high school has an amazing team from wisconsin n could compete with anyteam in the nation and ive seen couple great teams from illinois and the st louis region. have to agree with most teams would be socal but i dont think you can say there would b no need to look at any other teams in the nation.I think alot of people would be suprised by a couple teams play in the midwest.

maybe they look good because they are playing with more bad teams
so cal has so many more good teams
libero110
QUOTE(bic @ Oct 8 2006, 12:18 AM) *

maybe they look good because they are playing with more bad teams
so cal has so many more good teams

totally agree socal has way more good teams.but I would have to say I think you would be suprised by the play of a couple of midwest teams. and that they could hang with pretty much anyone.but yes we all know the best volleyball is played in socal and that they have the best teams.
kelian9
QUOTE(libero110 @ Oct 7 2006, 09:20 PM) *

totally agree socal has way more good teams.but I would have to say I think you would be suprised by the play of a couple of midwest teams. and that they could hang with pretty much anyone.but yes we all know the best volleyball is played in socal and that they have the best teams.

Those midwest teams could definitely win some JV tourneys out here.
cb426
QUOTE(kelian9 @ Oct 7 2006, 09:24 PM) *

Those midwest teams could definitely win some JV tourneys out here.


haha
vball195
umm... i think u r forgetting about hawaii high school volleyball. They have a very solid 3 teams that could compete with the best of any where. Punahou High School had pretty much the Outrigger 18's team from last year... and now they have Erik SHoji Spencer Mclaughin and Riley Mckibben. Now u cant say that is not a very good team.
ShaggSet
I think the best SoCal High School team vs. the best Midwest High School team would be roughly the same match-up as the best SoCal club team vs. the best Midwest Club Team. Probably a similar outcome. However, I think that the level of domination of SoCal over Midwest would be even greater in high school compared to club just because in Orange County there are so many good clubs with good players in each age group in a pretty small area which creates some really good high school teams; ie. Mater Dei, Mira Costa, Corona Del Mar, and a bunch more.
kelian9
QUOTE(vball195 @ Oct 7 2006, 09:56 PM) *

umm... i think u r forgetting about hawaii high school volleyball. They have a very solid 3 teams that could compete with the best of any where. Punahou High School had pretty much the Outrigger 18's team from last year... and now they have Erik SHoji Spencer Mclaughin and Riley Mckibben. Now u cant say that is not a very good team.

great point. Punahou would have to be put up there.
baller17
You do have to give some props to some high school from the midwest though...maybe not this year but over the last couple of years....St. John Vienney from Missouri and Wheaton Warrenville South in their hayday of back to back championships....

I don't really know what things look like this year....actually midwest volleyball looks really down this year from the last couple years....I'm just saying in the past there would be at least a few midwest teams included on that list.
oldnews
QUOTE(kelian9 @ Oct 7 2006, 11:24 PM) *

Those midwest teams could definitely win some JV tourneys out here.


I wish marquette would play a tournament in California. Too bad we play in different seasons.
bic
QUOTE(oldnews @ Oct 8 2006, 07:23 PM) *

I wish marquette would play a tournament in California. Too bad we play in different seasons.

they could play agianst the girls socal teams, mira costa girls would give them a game
n00bz0r
the thing is that it is probably true haha
ShaggSet
Doesn't Mira Costa girls have like 3 players who are 6'5?, one being Alix Klineman who is supposed to be the best player in the nation.
Caliplayer21
ya she bangs
bic
QUOTE(ShaggSet @ Oct 8 2006, 08:42 PM) *

Doesn't Mira Costa girls have like 3 players who are 6'5?, one being Alix Klineman who is supposed to be the best player in the nation.

i dont think its supposed to,
its .... Is
check the news papers......
grillmasterflex sb
QUOTE(libero110 @ Oct 7 2006, 11:20 PM) *

totally agree socal has way more good teams.but I would have to say I think you would be suprised by the play of a couple of midwest teams. and that they could hang with pretty much anyone.but yes we all know the best volleyball is played in socal and that they have the best teams.

suprised, just like in jos how we are all suprised by the midwest teams? and hangning with socal teams juts like they do in club? it wouldnt even be close, high school teams insocal are pretty close in talent to club teams, expecially thebest high schools. i doubt high schools in wisconsin are way bettter than club teams.
bic
QUOTE(grillmasterflex sb @ Oct 8 2006, 08:52 PM) *

suprised, just like in jos how we are all suprised by the midwest teams? and hangning with socal teams juts like they do in club? it wouldnt even be close, high school teams insocal are pretty close in talent to club teams, expecially thebest high schools. i doubt high schools in wisconsin are way bettter than club teams.

i bet their all area team might get a game off to top socal teams, might
jon
as of last year, i think valencia would be #1
oldnews
QUOTE(bic @ Oct 8 2006, 10:31 PM) *

they could play agianst the girls socal teams, mira costa girls would give them a game


You arrogant fool. Just because you from Socal doesn't mean your automatically good at volleyball. North Shore, the premiere club team from Milwaukee took third in Nationals during my year so we obvisiously we can play with you guys and beat you. You vastly underestimate the talent this region has.
jon
QUOTE(oldnews @ Oct 8 2006, 10:02 PM) *

You arrogant fool. Just because you from Socal doesn't mean your automatically good at volleyball. North Shore, the premiere club team from Milwaukee took third in Nationals during my year so we obvisiously we can play with you guys and beat you. You vastly underestimate the talent this region has.

well obviously the midwest isn't terrible, but also they aren't great either. and cali players outnumber the midwest players by a lot so therefore there are a lot more great players in cali. and how many other midwest teams were in the gold bracket? my guess is 1 at most. the rest probably cali, i dont know what age division you are talking about though.
stlhighpdude
What year is she? cuz if shes class of 08' your way off bud....the best girls player in the nation is from STL. Casey Chernin. She the #1 recruit for the class of 08'.



QUOTE(ShaggSet @ Oct 8 2006, 10:42 PM) *

Doesn't Mira Costa girls have like 3 players who are 6'5?, one being Alix Klineman who is supposed to be the best player in the nation.

Bruce Wayne
eden highschool has been state champs for years now back to back in new york, and a lot of their team consists of eden vbc, i think they could compete with some of these teams, but sense they aren't from cali no one will agree because only cali teams and players are good to you guys
oldnews
QUOTE(jon @ Oct 9 2006, 01:17 AM) *

well obviously the midwest isn't terrible, but also they aren't great either. and cali players outnumber the midwest players by a lot so therefore there are a lot more great players in cali. and how many other midwest teams were in the gold bracket? my guess is 1 at most. the rest probably cali, i dont know what age division you are talking about though.

It was our 16s team three years ago. Cali does raise better players because they get better athletes. Football gets the best athletes at most schools in Wisconsin. Volleyball at most schools gets secondry athletes with the exception of Marquette and Tosa East. I think Cali generally has better teams overall, but to say that the Midwest is terrible is horribly wrong.
gernnieir
the reason that there was only 1 other midwest team in gold and the rest were from cali has already been answered. somebody said that there is more volleyball players in cali then anywhere else. that would mean there is more club teams in cali which translates into more good club teams which means that if you take all the good teams from accross the nation (top 10 or so), the majority (around 6 to7) would be from cali. this is simply because there are more players which means more good teams out of cali.
ocvb
QUOTE(gernnieir @ Oct 9 2006, 05:02 PM) *

the reason that there was only 1 other midwest team in gold and the rest were from cali has already been answered. somebody said that there is more volleyball players in cali then anywhere else. that would mean there is more club teams in cali which translates into more good club teams which means that if you take all the good teams from accross the nation (top 10 or so), the majority (around 6 to7) would be from cali. this is simply because there are more players which means more good teams out of cali.

If you took the top 10 teams in the nation at least 9 would be from cali. Don't even try to argue
thunder#9
QUOTE(baller17 @ Oct 8 2006, 11:23 AM) *

You do have to give some props to some high school from the midwest though...maybe not this year but over the last couple of years....St. John Vienney from Missouri and Wheaton Warrenville South in their hayday of back to back championships....

I don't really know what things look like this year....actually midwest volleyball looks really down this year from the last couple years....I'm just saying in the past there would be at least a few midwest teams included on that list.

Yes vianney won another state title last year, but the Saint louis University High teams is ridiculous this year, we got murphy troy
gernnieir
QUOTE(ocvb @ Oct 9 2006, 05:43 PM) *

If you took the top 10 teams in the nation at least 9 would be from cali. Don't even try to argue


i disagree. 9 of the top 10 would not be from cali. a team representing the milwakuee/chicago area has to be up there, and stl and NY are vball hotbeds. i would say def around 7, 8 max.
n00bz0r
QUOTE(gernnieir @ Oct 9 2006, 06:13 PM) *

i disagree. 9 of the top 10 would not be from cali. a team representing the milwakuee/chicago area has to be up there, and stl and NY are vball hotbeds. i would say def around 7, 8 max.


not even you havn't seen how high of a level the high school games are in cali the games are played with twice the intensity in CIF than in club and all the top teams in socal would easily sweep all those teams out of state 3
jon
QUOTE(n00bz0r @ Oct 9 2006, 10:34 PM) *

not even you havn't seen how high of a level the high school games are in cali the games are played with twice the intensity in CIF than in club and all the top teams in socal would easily sweep all those teams out of state 3

i agree
Propasser
I would venture to day that most every poster here has not watched HS teams outside of their perspective Bubble. With that sais every statement of "Fact" that you all come up with is only relative to a small view .......hhhhmm......isn't is that way in life too.

No question that their are a few HS's in Cali that play at a very high level......they should.

Food for thought.

The Damon's team that finished I think 3rd 3 years ago in 18's - pretty much the Hempfield HS team from Pennsylvania-

The Eden VBC team that took a 5th in 18's 5 years ago and took over the top seed bye defeating the #1 Central Cal and #5 Adversity on Day 3. - 5 kids from the same Eden HS

The Yorktowne 18's team at this years Nationals hurt alot feelings of California All Star teams and Parents (Balboa) in taking a 5th - mind you that most of these kids were Juniors and primarily from one HS. (correct me if I'm wrong ....Hempfield again)


Getting back to the original question and topic - Yes it would be great to have a state by state listing of top teams.
New York State HS's-

#1 - Eden - Buffalo
#2 - Lancaster - Buffalo
#3- Burnt Hills - Albany
#4 - McQuaid - Rochester
#5 - Hamburg - Buffalo
#6 - Orchard Park - Buffalo
#7 - Canisius - Buffalo
#8 - Penfield - Rochester
#9 - Clarence - Buffalo
#10 - Liverpool - Syracuse

I think it would be great to organize a Tournamnet of Champions and get top teams from around the country to meet. The girls do it.

Getting around the Fall Season (Virginia/NY/Wisconsin) presents problems but hey...there is always a way.

By the way I did see the Greenhill Academy team - ok team with a very good 6'5 middle who actually plays for Missouri Thunder. They would not break the top ten in NY
big kyle
southern california
cdm
mater dei
valencia
mira costa
los al
newport harbor
harvard westlake
esperanza?
derrr
QUOTE(big kyle @ Oct 10 2006, 03:42 PM) *

southern california
cdm
mater dei
valencia
mira costa
los al
newport harbor
harvard westlake
esperanza?

CDM has 5 players on balboa's 18-1 team this year too. So they are definately one of the top schools in the nation.
libero3
hey propasser did u make that up or where did u find it?
and greenhills could easily be top ten in NY i played against them 4 times in 4 days this weekend and they are legit! they could contend with 4-10 idk about the top 3 tho they are tough!
bic
QUOTE(big kyle @ Oct 10 2006, 03:42 PM) *

southern california
cdm
mater dei
valencia
mira costa
los al
newport harbor
harvard westlake
esperanza?

also, teams like redondo from last year, w/ dykstra ,spittle, zahn and more
loyola from last year had many good players, scilacci, hirshman, mguire.....
now some have graduated and are playin for colleges

o and did any pppl from midwest or east see the mira costa vs loyola match on FSN?
that was the first game of the season and was very good, high quality high school vball
both those teams didnt do very well at all in CIF too......
libero3
when was it on will any be on again??
bic
QUOTE(libero3 @ Oct 10 2006, 04:37 PM) *

when was it on will any be on again??

it was early march or so
if it is still being played i duno
i dont know if it will be televised next season
pali17black
QUOTE(bic @ Oct 10 2006, 04:33 PM) *

also, teams like redondo from last year, w/ dykstra ,spittle, zahn and more
loyola from last year had many good players, scilacci, hirshman, mguire.....
now some have graduated and are playin for colleges

o and did any pppl from midwest or east see the mira costa vs loyola match on FSN?
that was the first game of the season and was very good, high quality high school vball
both those teams didnt do very well at all in CIF too......


ya both Loyola and Redondo may have a tough time winning their respective leagues this year
bic
QUOTE(pali17black @ Oct 10 2006, 04:48 PM) *

ya both Loyola and Redondo may have a tough time winning their respective leagues this year

well mira costa is in redondos league,
who is in loyolas?
cb426
QUOTE(bic @ Oct 10 2006, 04:52 PM) *

well mira costa is in redondos league,
who is in loyolas?

mater dei i think
bic
QUOTE(cb426 @ Oct 10 2006, 05:03 PM) *

mater dei i think

i heard mater dei switched out of that league because they keep losing to loyola not just volleyball but other sports too

is esperanza in loyolas?
pali17black
Loyola has

harvard westlake is pretty good
chaminade will be solid
crespi has stork
oldschoolcoach
QUOTE(ShaggSet @ Oct 8 2006, 12:45 AM) *

I think the best SoCal High School team vs. the best Midwest High School team would be roughly the same match-up as the best SoCal club team vs. the best Midwest Club Team. Probably a similar outcome. However, I think that the level of domination of SoCal over Midwest would be even greater in high school compared to club just because in Orange County there are so many good clubs with good players in each age group in a pretty small area which creates some really good high school teams; ie. Mater Dei, Mira Costa, Corona Del Mar, and a bunch more.



You got it right. I am a staunch Midwest fan, but the degree of
separation between top Cali h.s. teams and top Midwest
h.s. v-b teams is far greater than it is in club. The sheer number
of club players, and high school teams where a high percentage
of the team is in club, is much higher in SoCal than anywhere
in the Midwest. I don't think a Wis high school team could beat
a Wis 16's club, much less a Wis 17 - 18 or a SoCal 16-18

When the number of Midwest clubs with 18's teams shrinks
and the talent coalesces, the gap with SoCal closes.

North Shore Milwaukee has finished 5th-3rd-2nd-2nd
at JO 18's the last four years, and STL Hi-P and
various Chicago clubs have been in the final 8 a
lot also. All occasionally medal in the younger ages,
but more so at 18's.
jon
QUOTE(big kyle @ Oct 10 2006, 03:42 PM) *

southern california
cdm
mater dei
valencia
mira costa
los al
newport harbor
harvard westlake
esperanza?

im pretty sure valencia is playing mater dei again this year at mater dei, that will be a really good match.
libro
hands down cdm takes it...they kicked the ****** outta the majority of teams they played and im pretty sure they only lost 1 starter...slaughter's a huge loss but they still take it
bic
is there a division 1 national champion then a div 2... and so on
or just one overall?
ocvball
QUOTE(kelian9 @ Oct 7 2006, 09:24 PM) *

Those midwest teams could definitely win some JV tourneys out here.

That is a joke. Midwest teams would dominate the competition in socal. I lived in the midwest before moving out here and it is obvious that socal teams would struggle with jv tournaments in the midwest...not the other way around
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