were going up to kaukauna i think along with case and horlick and we get to double up with horlick on a coach bus that should be fun.

naw case isnt in it this year either. we never really have been and we dont feel the need to be in this one especially cause one of our players had an asthma attack

Oh man... Next level up the wazoo y wasn't i invited??

haha now i'm sure someone has said this like 1 million times, but who is all at Arrowhead?

Who had the asthma attack?


And for you taylor.... hmm Idk you can come if you want i guess lol I mean you know its only about an hour from your house.

you lazy bum

we got stalis central at our place, psh.

we played fort atkinson early in the season in a scrimmage setting, they are a very short team who have a couple of kids that can roll the ball pretty well? Otherwise just keep the ball on their side and watch how easy it is to win.

At the Arrowhead Tournament i know one one the brackets are...Marquetee Greenfield Waukesha North South Milwaukee and Brook East

It is always interesting to look at the ranking based on what percentage of points each team has received out of the total possible. In the first poll, it looks like 2 coaches did not vote, but be that as it may... Tosa East barly hangs onto its #1 ranking over Marquette, 16.70% to 16.24%. Homestead takes the biggest leap jumping from 8.80% to 15.05%, while Park makes the 2nd biggest jump. Tosa West was the biggest loser in the poll. Everybody stays relatively unchanged. Enough math, I don't want MUWarriors head to spin off.

It is also interesting to note, that the same 10 teams remain in the top 10. I like Greenfield, a couple of solid players and very scrappy, but I don't see anybody from the HM list breaking into the top 10.

Is it too soon to look at sectional match-ups yet? It looks like section #8 will be the most difficult, with Tosa East, West, and Shorewood. What about the #5 sectional, no team has received votes in the coaches poll. Which brings about the question, who gets to play sectional#5 at the state meet? On paper it looks like a walk to the semis.

Not that anybody cares, but I am hoping to attend the Pius/Arrowhead match-up tonight.

it was casey our OH and sometimes libero shortest kid blonde hair

good luck to both arrowhead and pius tonight in the classic eight conference dual, that should be a great one and i cant believe i wont be there, but i think my boys will pull it out, dont disappoint me guys

The winner of the CMH sectional gets to play sectional five. The only reason i call it the CMH sectional is well because i don't know what number we are. But the winner of that one takes on the winner of the Homestead (if they make it to state) vs. A racine school (whoever gets to state) so thats a tough second match so its not really a "cakewalk" to the semi's

The state tournament will be a fun one to watch this year, in my opinion it will be like the second day at last years state when both Marquette and Tosa West came back from 2 games and won the next 3 that feild house was going CRAZY!!! Definately pumped for that.

In other news... I know that it is still a week away, but the pools for middleton are out any thoughts opinions or predictions??

Homestead is a one dimensional team. When Homestead plays Marquette the Walker-Fromader wall of death will send steve meyer back to his modeling studio in tears.

As funny as i find that i don't really agree with it. Sure they could cheat to steves side, but then andy and charlie hook up for a one ball BAM! there is suddenly a hole in the floor curtosy of Charlie. The next play they might be like ok this time we gotta stay ture other wise charlie is going to put another hole in the floor. So this time Charlie draws the block and steve has a 1 on 1 and no matter how good of a blocker Tim is a great hitter can always beat a 1 on 1. So homested isn't all that one dimensional.

If you win your sectional, and you play the winner of #5 sectional, then you are in the round of 4, which in my book is the semifinals.

ohhh hahah my fault i thought you ment the... yea sorry about that my fault

can anyone let me know when shorewood has home games, i go to uwm now and i would like to check out some games since it's so close to my house. Someone should let me know asap

I see that "oldnews" has recently checked the forum but not replied to my response in the 9/12 coaches poll topic, looks like he really DOESN'T know everything about me. Have to love how all he does is talk trash/praise Marquette (and yes, Marquette deserves praise, but not every other team in the state, especially Homestead, is trash, as he makes it seem). P.S. Tosa East beat Marquette and Homestead beat Tosa East...you make it sound like Marquette will roll them. I'm not saying Homestead will beat Marquette and I'm not saying Marquette will beat Homestead, but I do not think it will be a sweep either way, and not a blowout.

greenfield plays at shorewood next wednesday the 27th at 6:30

You make it sound like stopping steve meyer is easy, but when somone swings that hard its hard to stop him even if there is a huge block up. and i dont think that walker and fromader can stay front row the whole time. my point is he'll go up against a tim/fro block probably 3 times at the most in one game. also last year steve pounded through ethan pheister and schulte's blocks against shorewood, both were huge blocks.

can anyone post the middelton pools? our coach never shows us the whole tourney, just who were playin, thanks

any good games this weekend and next week

bradford @ burlington should be alright...we should win tho

Is Bradford any good?

I know their in our pool for the kaukuana tourney.

can someone please post the fort atkinson pools




i dont know they didnt look to good at the park tourney they lost to either kimberly or arrowhead 19-5 but someone on our team was saying they improved quite a bit from last year but they werent good last year...where are u from

Tosa East plays at Shorewood on Thursday the 28th. A non-confrence game but will still be a great match up. 630 game time

here's a good one for ya, september 28th, tosa east @ shorewood @ 6:30

Beat you to it Rey...


Nice try though haha

Marquette over Brookfield East in 3. 25-20, 25-16, 25-22.

Pretty competitive match, especially the third game. We were up 22-19, and Marquette finished the game off with six straight. If we could only replay those last few points....but Marquette definitely deserves all the credit, fighting back the way they did.

So how'd the other matches finish up tonight?

tosa east vs. shorewood should be good...KWSvatek are u brigsons friend kurt...? the one who hurt his back diving into a pool?lol

Tosa East demolished Stallis Central in 4 Something like 25-8, 25-14, 25-8, 15-8

waukesha west over waukesha north in 5

WOW! Thats impressive nice work! thats impressive

Pius over arrowhead in four.
i dont know the scores.

Yea I do. First isnt it Baily not Gailey, and Hutz and Leis have not started a single game yet for loyola.



sorry it is Zack Bailey

Last night was Arrowhead's best chance to
move up... Pius is working through some
injuries but had home court advantage.
Arrowhead now has to upset someone in its
upcoming tournament.

Kettle Moraine has Pius at home in mid-October,
when either injured guys are back or replacements
are in the groove. The key for them
is to finish 2nd or 3rd in regular conference
play, to be in the opposite bracket
from CMH in the conf. tourney.

About that same time (mid October), Horlick
hosts Burlington.

The best shot for Greenfield and Kimberly was at
Racine, altho in Oct., Greenfield hosts Tosa West
and Shorewood.

For most voters in past years, doing well in a large
tournament seems to count more than doing poorly,
once you get in the top 10... due to the limited
games or points tournament formats. So the
contenders could finish above a "second five" team
at a tournament, but unless they beat one of them on
the way AND land a top (3rd-4th) finish, it probably
won't affect the vote.

To lazy to get the masks quote, but cute... real cute...

who won the AHS Pius match? and where has my boy dan been? Since taylor posts 20 times a day he's pretty much answered and asked all the other questions i had...

Larry is a genius at shuting down the big hitter. We have done it consistently for the past 5 years. Andy Kohl, Zach Bailey, Dan Hammer, Eric Schlute, Ian Andersen, you named it. Larry may get beat early, but when it counts we win. The only big hitter that ever gave us consistent trouble was Nate Sederburg only because he was so verstaile and steve meyer is no nate sederberg. I agree the hogan-lehman block is suspect, but adjusts can be made. I have said it before and I'll say it again, history has shown us that the only time you can beat Marquette is early in the year. When our lineup is set we are nearly unstoppable. 44-1.

Also charlie is not a premiere middle. He is extremely undersized and his athletic ability isn't that hot or esle he would be playing outside. He is an effective middle, but it ends there. Any club middle can bounce a ball when its tight and only an inch above the tap. A premiere middle can hit all angles and hit around and above blocks. I saw charlie in a early game and he does neither. He hits like most middles do in this league, straight down. Fro has superior size and athletic ability, but he has one major flaw. He has no aggression and doesn't open up when he hits. If he ever could get that down he would be the best middle in the state hands down. He still will dominant 98% of the middles in the state because he can hit over just about every block in the state and his block is probably the one of the biggest in the state.

Tosa East traditionally comes out of the blocks hard and chokes when it really counts i.e. the sectional two years ago and the year before that against marquette. We won both matches in 5 games because we were better conditioned and tosa east made some bone headed plays. I see the same happening this year, but who knows.

Ethan was an excellent blocking setter, but he is no fro

I'm around... just been reading. Pius over Arrowhead in 4. Arrowhead takes game 1, Pius games 2-4.

Oldnews that was an excellent post however I would disagree with you some points just for the sake of argument.

1. Charlie - What are we judging the word "premier" on. If you judge it based on the state of wisconsin middles yes he is a premier middle. If you judge it based on nationwide, I am guessing no he is not. However in this case the possible match of Homestead vs Marquette is played in the Wisconsin High school setting so Charlie is premier. And just so you are aware I have seen Charlie hit angles and above blocks, I think you are jealous because he gets more hype than Fro (more on that later).

2. The Fro-Walker block. Assuming Fro is the top middle for Marquette he would be next to the setter thus would only be front row with Walker in One rotation. The blocking combos that happen more are Hogan - Fro and Walker - Lehman. Maybe Lehman is middle number 1 and starts next to the setter in that case I would be wrong. I think Meyer could hit through those other two blocking sets alright.

3. I enjoyed your post so much I went back and read some of your others. I came to a two conclusions. First is that you do not like Tosa East. 2nd is that you have the worlds biggest man crush on Fro, you mention him in 90% of your posts.

Name better middles in the state then Charlie. Chris Esser and Josh Bleck (if that is the junior Arrowhead middle with the fro) may be, and both of those are debateable. I have not seen Fro play this year, but have heard good things so far, so he may be also (he deffinately has the potential, but as you said, is unaggressive). But other then that I'm pretty sure there are no better middles in the state, and those top four all have their matches that they are better or worse then the others. I'd say top four in the state is pretty premier. Charlie also has one of what I would consider to be the three best blocks in the state, so why would you put your best blocker on the other team's setter/right side hitter? Not to mention from what I know he has played middle all his life, so why put him at a position where he would be uncomfortable? And I'm not sure how his passing is, so maybe if it's not great that is why they use him as a middle blocker. Chris Esser has the athletic ability to be an outside, but he DOMINATES as a middle, so why change someone so dominant to somewhere they may not be as dominant at? Not to mention, they already have one of the best outsides in the state and I'm sure they have another good outside hitter, so they do not need another one.

I don't see why Larry should get all the credit for "shutting down a big hitter." I believe this is another superior talent issue. Probabilities tell us that having a larger pool of boys to choose from naturally increases the amount of talented players available. It's up to the players to execute the blocking on the court. There's only so many blocking techniques that can be taught, and whether the players fail or excel on them depends on their skill set and talent level. Naturally, Marquette seems to have some of the top players in the state year after year. If Larry's blocking strategy was really that innovative, he'd be coaching volleyball somewhere OTHER than a Wisconsin High School. I do not question his coaching abilities in comparison to others in Wisconsin, but calling him a genius is a little bit of an overstatement.

Oh, and as for 44-1... last year's Marquette team was one of the most ridiculous squads ever seen in Wisconsin. It was basically a club team playing high school ball. You won't see that happen very often.



You aren't giving Charlie enough credit. I think even he would admit his natural ability is not equal to that of Andrew Frohmader, but he's had enough club coaching in his day to be the smartest middle in the state this year, bar none. Charlie rarely gets blocked, and cuts off the angles of hitters VERY well. Until he figures out how to put a swing on a ball, I'd take Charlie over Froh any day of the week.



It's quite obvious you're a biased source on all things regarding Marquette/Wisconsin volleyball...

Listen, this isn't the movie "Groundhog Day." History isn't naturally inclined to repeat itself. 'Tosa East may have pulled some huge choke jobs in the past, but that isn't necessarily indicative of what they'll do in any given year. If it turns out that the annual chokes are a product of coaching, then it will indeed continue. However, if the source is the players, then this is an entirely new year. To say you see the "same thing happening this year" is no more then a blind guess. Perhaps you'll be right. Who knows?



Froh's a good blocker. Ethan was a WALL at the net. I find it insulting to Ethan to call Frohmader a better blocker then he was.

Josh Bleck from arrowhead is a senior this year and the other start that has a fro i believe is Ramzi Korkor(who is the junior), but yeah the senior josh bleck is definately one of the premier middles in the state, along with esser and charlie

Oh really? I thought the other middle was Josh Bleck. I had never heard of Ramzi Korkor, but WOW, that kid was a BEAST. Based on last night's match I would say that he is better then Josh Bleck, but Josh was a very good player too. Their middles carry that team, which is why they beat us in the first game, because they were in system and getting the ball to the middles, but when they are out of system they could not get anything done.

haha groundhog day what a great movie....

But here is the thing, Tosa East ISN'T Choking!!!! They are winning the close games! look at Racine,They beat pius close, they beat CMH close especially in the second game, and they beat Marquette in 3 close ones, so they aren't choke jobs this year. And another team that i think will lose there name as a Choke is park. They will make it back to the sectional finals for the 6th year in a row (?? Correct me if i'm wrong) and they will pull it out this year.

Oh and the fro middle at arrowhead is Ramzi Korkor Josh blek is the other one

I believe Ramzi Korkor played for Lake Country 16-1s last year.

Arrowhead played a very good first game against Pius. Using their middles well and mixing up the sets just enough to keep Pius honest. After that first game, I thought here we go on that roller coaster ride again, up one day, down the next. But to Pius' credit, they made the adjustment, served better, or was the serve receive poorer? In any event, they kept Arrowhead's setter off the net and he was unable to use his middles as much as he would have liked. Great job by Pius to make that correction!

it is true park has lost at sectinoal final 5 years running. although unless us or horlick steps up i belive this year may happen to break that chain.

as for saying that ethan wasnt as good a blocker as fro. i havnt seen fro yet but from seeing ethan last year playing agsint him last year and playing with him during all club year. i wouldnt say that he is better. ethan was huge this past club season in blocking. blocking guys like #7 on surf city. all of riptides 17s. almost blocking chase (he got a sweet touch) i mean he was just huge and to compare fro to ethan i really dont think is accurate

You would be correct in assuming that assumption haha

He also played on the Badger High Performence team with me and John in Sacramento this past summer. He must have gotten a lot better since then because the Ramzi i no hits into blocks a lot and doesn't always make the smart play.

i would have to agree from know that team there middles is why they are so good, but if i know those guys like i do they will do everything to fix it

Its too early for Tosa east to choke and do believe John Simon is part of that. Conditioning in volleyball is more of a factor than people realize. We ran quite a bit under larry and that is why i believe we won a lot of close games. I'm basing my theories on history, not the current team, but wisconsin high school has been very predictable the last few years. I do not find it surprising at all that Tosa East won the Racine Invite.

Charlie may be a competitive middle this year, but compared to past years he is does live up. I believe we really have not seen a truely physically dominant middle since James Gurnst. A strong tall and atheletic middles are extremely rare. Last year we had some excellent middles, but not utterly dominanting. Garrett Werner was probably the closest. I played with the guy and he is an excellent blocker and excellent overall player, but is not the physically intimidating presence a Grunst was and did not have the power. I have played against charlie and yes is well coached, but was he a powerful force at the net, no way. Lets be honest there really isn't a ton of strong middles in the state this year.

I think it would be fair to say I don't like Tosa East. Hell I went to Marquette what to do expect. Homestead and Tosa East are just natural enemies.

To say our team last year was one of our best teams ever would be a bold statement. We really didn't have a stand out hitter. We obvisiously had a hell of setter, but we were not a flashy team screaming of athletic ability. We won games because of the excellent setting of Hutz and we didn't make mistakes and we didn't try to bounce every ball. John Nowak and Will Boesen are good players but they are not the big powerful outsides that bounce balls left and right. Volkert and Walker were solid and effective, but they were not superstars. Volkert had many issues with his arm swing. Tim had some timing issues last year as well. Tim will be a superstar this year, but was more of a work in progress last year. The team the year before had more depth and had more athletic ability with Hutz, Mulchay, Gerstner, Hessling. That team was amazing. Matt Mulchay was the big powerful outside. Same with Gerstner. Our second team two years ago was probably top 10 in the state if not higher. Last year we were fairly deep as well, but not quite as much.

Okay...so who was better, the
2004 Hilltoppers or the 1970
Oakland A's?!?

I question the validity of this statement... not only because I know I'm a member of the most well conditioned team in the state (and that's a fact, not an opinion) but also because I'm close enough to members of the Marquette team to know that hardcore conditioning isn't really part of the day to day practice schedule.


As far as last year's team being one of the best... It's not that bold a statement. They had their best player at the BEST position to have your best player (setter), and a bunch of guys who played error free volleyball. People are so focused on the outsides or middles that can pound. That's all fine and dandy, but it's the guys that play sound, mistake-free volleyball that will win every time. Or 44 out of 45 times. I'd take that sort of team over a team with huge bouncing outsides all day long.