Hahaha sorry I was no help entertaining you on our 4th straight school day of not having school I was upstairs, I just had this still on my computer, sorry buddy.

You know what the funny part about that picture is...


Drew is still on the way up

[/quote]I have no clue who I am voting for, for player of the year. Maybe I will just vote for Dan since I love defensive players so much
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Wat about that phil Kelly player for player of the year?

Haha you would write that Phil.

I'll vote for you...

If only you hadn't broken my foot and if only I had a vote.

It shows that some top teams are more
dependent on a key player or two
than others. CMH w/out Esser at the
CL8 tourney is an example...good enough
to beat everyone but another top 10 team.

Of the top 10 locals (I can't speak about
the FVA), I think you can divide them-

KEYMAN*
CMH (2)
Homestead (2)
Tosa W. (1)
Tosa E. (1)
Park (1)
HM: Shorewood (1), Nicolet (1)

*(not counting setters...lack of a good
setter hurts more, than having
a great one with weak players or an
average one with good players)

BALANCED
Marquette
Pius
Burlington
Greenfield
HM:Arrowhead/KM

Take away a key guy from the first
group, and they're in trouble (as in Shorewood
w/out Miller for a time)...take away a starter
(or two, like Pius experienced)
from the latter and you'll
still get a tough game.

for instance , who would win-

CMH w/o Esser v. MUHS w/out whoever
Tosa W. w/o Kevin v. Pius w/out whoever
Tosa E. w/o Williams v. Burlington etc
Park w/o Baker v. Greenfield etc
Shorewood w/o Miller v. Arrowhead etc.
Nicolet w/o (its good OH!) v. KM etc.

I'll take the balanced team each time.

Toss out MUHS and move each
"balanced team" up a notch and
I'll still bet on them.

I HATE BEING INJURED!!!! its ******! of course we play all the bigger games of our season when i get hurt this does not please me... Im sick of watching vball and hearing about it i just wanna play!!! haha

i wish i had a countdown

honnestly what about mike moe though, i mean he really leads that team, puts up a huuuge block, and one thing ive noticed after the confrence tourny, he snaps really high on the ball. now hes not the ultimate best passer in the world next to dan, but i mean kids still got D. with out him i think case would honnestly be hopeless. my little imput.

also another standout from our confrence tourny would be scott marita*? and the middle from tremper, it seems they have finally gotten in sinc with eachother... it was actually cool watching them connect and bounce a few, and then scott would dump it nasty when u least expected it.

my insight.

oh and esser, get well soon buddy, i wanna see u back dominating that middle spot real soon.

thanks john

and truth yes i did play libero but dont worry it was in the 4th game after the sweep. and it was to get my d a little better. im pretty slow getting to tips or touches. altough does anyone remember the whitefish bay tourney against shorewood. that was pretty sweet up like 40 feet away from the court.

ok im jaggin it was like 20

as for my input on best hitters in the state among those listed. idk id want steve on my team more then the others besides tim but thats what my team needs is another consistant middle. but steves swing is so fast. even if he does take an odd approach. which btw i was mimicking at practice the other day and me and my coach had quite a laugh about it. it was pretty on.

and you can tell steve i did that whoevers on homesteads team

ha that's funny that you would say that tosa east is not balanced because, without williams, we beat park, AND was one point away (4x) from beating homestead in the final game, so to say we're not balanced... you might wanna check that

Yeah I have to agree, Tosa East even without Williams has a lot of good hitters. Kurt Svatek, Luke Coyle, and Rey are all key parts of their offense, along with a good setter in liska

After I posted it, I first thought-

Oops...what about Case;
(but figured the post
was long enough w/out
going back to modify it again)

and second, isn't TE NOW
closer to balanced, with its
spread of depth...

I think the other talent at TE has
diluted Williams' numbers recently
while Dave (the soph at Pius)
is emerging as a KeyMan and
making it less balanced, but
both are relatively* recent
developments.

Still, do you think I am
wrong on the other matchups?

and, If this was posted 2
weeks ago, would it have been
more accurate then?

*relatively, as in the last
10 days of the 7-week season
to date.

what about case?

Esser dude, get well asap man! Mike Moe is huge for that team, he is a good player, and john mentioned everything that he does well and the only thing is passing that he needs to work on! Thanks for the props Baker, believe me i love setting my middle too lol, when we connect he can put it down!

John dont kid urself though, u can put the ball down with the best of them in wisconsin!

Tremper Volleyball
#5

can you say... SUCK UP. oh and old school it's allright on the error. lol that's funny b/c i'm wearing a shirt right now that says "old school" on the front. i got it from participating in a slam dunk contest (that i got last in with a bunch of college students). oh and here's a slideshow from that dunk contest http://jammin983.com/PhotoGallery_HoopItUp.asp

What happened to Esser?

He sprained his ankel but he's fine haha

Hey rey remember that one day i came over and you dunked and your net exploded


...It was pretty cool

aw hell yeah that was the tightest thing ever. lol the other day i dunked and the rim came down. that was hilarious

can you say....JEALOUS? haha jk rey

maybe, naw just kidding.

to answer the big question, i think that nicolet will be the first to be upsetted by arrowhead, but bobby will have a stellar match

i agree with you rey i think bobby will do fine in his match and put a couple really good balls away but i see arrowhead pullin it out in the end in 4

idk about that kid, anyone who totally gives up(along with the entire team) is just idk....idk if i can classify him as that great of a player and a team leader. I realize he's only a junior, but still....Nicolet was honestly bagging balls on purpose it seemed like, whicih was actually disrespecting to me in general. But o well....I know oldschool got pretty pissed(which anyone in their right mind would have) any comments coach?

This is jsut what happend in the stupid consolation bracket, i'm sure their team didnt' really wnat to be playing in it, but we definately didn't exactly want to either. I have a feeling he' s a better player, and nicolet's a beter team than they showed me on saturday, and im confident in that.

If you are going to attack my team and say they were tanking plays on purpose, at least know the correct person you are talking to. I am pretty sure Evan Filtz could care less about a Nicolet vs Kaukauna consolation game.

You sure know alot about volleyball. First appleton north and Marquette were the real championship on Saturday. Even though Marquette and Tosa West have split all year with maybe a 4 point differance in all , if you added all the games together. How many times have you beat Marquette???? I've watched Brad coach for three years and the thing he is known for nationally, not just in Wisconsin is having teams that Never quit! Nicolet is a group of freshman and sophmores they are going to have up and down games but tanking it I doubt. I'm sure Brad is sorry he disrespected you, and will apologize when he sees you next time.

I'm gonna have to agree on this one... bobby is a great player, a little bit of an attitude, but for a team that can catch fire and bounce balls like no other, sometimes you need someone like that to pump the whole team up. I know for sure that if it got out of hand and the yellow/red cards were coming out brad would make sure that any of his players that did that wouldnt be able to feel their legs after the next practice AKA conditioning like no other. Brad is a great coach for whom i have the upmost respect, he's just got a lot of younger talent. But hey, in the next couple of years that talents gonna start bouncing teams like woah...

... gotta love posts during JAVA class :-)

Alright, since I can't modify the
earlier post, here's my corrections-

KEYMAN*
Homestead (2)
CMH (2)
Tosa W. (1)
Park (1)
Shorewood(1)
HM: Nicolet (1), Case (1)

*(not counting setters as the keymann
...lack of a good setter hurts more,
than having a great one with weak
players or an average one with
good players)

BALANCED
Marquette
Tosa E.
Pius
Burlington
Greenfield
HM:Arrowhead/KM

Hey, if a had a Fantasy Volleyball
tournament, I'd play the Keyman
v. the Balanced, once "with"
and once "w/out" a key player-
every game woulld go to 5
with little spread between 'em, I betcha!

anything from the FVA? Keyman or balanced?
anybody?? anybody?

Finally, hats off to Brad. In some earlier
post I didn't recall how well his team
did in some tough matches. I
believe next year we'll see him
take a keyman driven team amd
make it balanced... and tough
to beat. Bobby's emotion is a
plus (let me not tell you how
lack of player enthusiasm kills you
as a coach!), he just needs to
channel it better wheb things are
not going well.

yea... i cant play till friday...

[quote name='ParkHi' date='Oct 23 2006, 05:43 PM' post='22238']
honnestly what about mike moe though, i mean he really leads that team, puts up a huuuge block, and one thing ive noticed after the confrence tourny, he snaps really high on the ball. now hes not the ultimate best passer in the world next to dan, but i mean kids still got D. with out him i think case would honnestly be hopeless. my little imput.

John, are you starting his campaign for SEC player of the year by sucking up to Mike? Maybe, maybe not. I will say after seeing you a little bit here and there this year, have got to be the worst complainer out there. Every time you get blocked you look to the ref and point at the net looking for a net call. Come on John. I was around for the first game of the SEC finals against Burlington and you were blocked 3 times and did the above mentioned. It is hard for the SEC gain any respect w/ players such as you.

Dang, that was a little below that belt....


But, John is still a great player and i've seen almost everyplayer complain to the refs after having a play not go their way. So i don't think its fair that you only pick on john.

First of all, how would sucking up to mike moe be campaigning for player of the year? mike moe doesn't vote? (although he should haha).. second of all, john not only brings skill to the game, as well as his natural athletic ability, but the kids got heart. We've played 2 tight matches with park this year, and in both of them he was settling his team down and telling them to keep swinging. I remember at bay there was a game point for tosa east and john when up there full apporach and absolutly bounced a line shot. Now regardless they lost the game but he stays aggresive all the time and is a true leader. And lets face it, we all look at the reffs because if the rules were completely enforced, and the reffs saw everyhitng, there would be no long rallys in volleyball. Even as a defensive player i know that a good majority of the hitter vs. blocker have one if not both hitters at least tapping the net, and its alot easier to see when your up there hitting or blocking, as apposed to being a reff 10 feet away from the play. To sum it all up? Baker bounces, and then makes sure he gets back and does it again. Chemistry stud? I dont think so, but NL antenna breaker? haha i think yes.

John's talent is not in question. His attitude is. Yes maybe I did go off on him harshly, but what I say about his complaining stand as fact. EVERYTime I have seen him get blocked, he points. Even the obvious blocks he looks to others. What the sport could use is more Dan Mathews & Dan Kowalskys, not John Bakers.

I have played with John and against John all my volleyball career. But he doesn't ALWAYS complain, when he gets blocked he tells his setter where to put the ball weather it be outside or higher, because he swings hard almost everytime, and if the sets a little too low and he gets blocked he turns to his setter and tells him to push it a little higher so he can tool it or hit over it.

I reiterate, “everytime I have seen him” he complains. This weekend I did see quite a bit of him. This type of attitude is rampant in volleyball. Again, we need more like Dan M. and Dan K.

haha i've seen dan complain quite a bit when a pancake turns into a flapjack and I get the point hahaha just kidding Dan

haha see what i like is when i touch a ball, act like i didn't, we win the point, and dan runs over to me after game 1 and goes, robby did you touch it? and i just laugh and say of course i touched it hahaha Life in general needs more dan's!

its a shame you feel that way, i may not know my own actions sometimes, but i do try to stay mellow during games. and if you did see the SEC final then i know you saw me the first game get blocked, and then i laughed because i knew it was my fault,and i apollogize alot to our setter too... but hey i mean thats fine everyone has their own opinion, and i will surely work on my attitude. thanks for the feedback.

I'm not trying to attack your team at all, and i'm sorry if i came off like i was. I just thougth(along witht he line judges) that nicolet wasn't giving their all. I said in my post that i was confident that they were a much better team, and that Bobby is a much better player, than they both showed me.

I'm sorry first off that i mixed up your name with oldschool coach, but i'm pretty sure people knew what i was takling about...and i'm sorry if i disrespected you or your team, i didn't mean to do that in any way, shape, or form.

who is iaatp? i dont know him? who are you?

New coaches poll released 10/24

1. Marquette 160
2. Homestead 138
3. Wauwatosa West 115
4. Wauwatosa East 109
5. Appleton North 107
6. CMH 66
7. Racine Park 65
8. Pius 48
9. Kimberly 24
10. Shorewood 19


Others:
Burlington 17
Middleton 6
Greenfield 4
Arrowhead 2
Kettle Morraine 1

Sounds like somebody could be jealous that John got player of the year for his conference? Have you ever talked to John or played on his team? He gets emotional because he loves the game and hates playing bad. He does not complain about how others play, he just gets upset when he knows he should've played better (not because of a lack of effort, just an off day). When he feels his teammates are not playing up to their ability he tries to focus on playing his best.

Before this season I had only heard about John and I heard that he was a great player and an even better person. Now I talk to him all the time and help him out with his homework and he helps me out with things he knows about from work. He also talks to Dan quite a bit and I believe (not trying to put words in his mouth) that Dan has the same thoughts on John as I do, so to say there need to be more Dan Kowalksy's in this world and not John Baker's is kind of contradictory...

If you were at their conference tournament Saturday perhaps you play for a team in his conference and wish you could have won the award he did? If that's the case, don't hate him, congratulate him.

And realize that John's not the one who goes ripping on people he doesn't know, you are.

Hey everyone,

About everything being said lately! Dude, fellas, Bobby Vranek is a very good player, he gets blocked because he is keyed on, that team can go places next year, especially with brad coaching nicolet! Bobby knows how to play vball pretty well and i think he deserves some props.

Again, Brad is a good coach, he has done well at the high school level and club level, he is a good coach, who i respect, because he gets the most out of his players!

And John Baker, come on guys, the guy can play! He has worked hard to become a defensive player and he has improved tremedously, i've played against him and with him, he is a cool guy so dont think that he is arrigant at all! Does he have an ego, yes, but that's because he can back it up.

There are some underrated players in the SEC especially that should get some recognition on certain teams, Greg Haertle is the heart and soul of Horlick's team, he makes the team go, w/o him we beat horlick games 1 and 2, he played 3-5 and they beat us! Joe (#3) for Case - he is one of there better players, he plays backrow well and can hit good cross court, good compliment to mike moe. Everyone knows about John Baker, but Ben and Sam, are both great players that deserve some recognition, give props to both of them!

Tremper Volleyball
#5

WOW!! What a great, well thought out answer. I am truly impressed. I have just joined the John Baker Fan Club.

Since I've been called out on this, I feel like I should comment on it. John Baker is a great volleyball player, and a great kid who (by his own admission) can let his emotions get the best of him in certain situations. I don't think there's anything terribly wrong with that.

I'm flattered that my name was included (even just concerning attitude) with Dan Mathews. I've heard nothing but good things about that guy. I just know that I'll continue to play every ball with a huge smile on my face regardless of circumstances, because it'd be silly to play the game if it wasn't fun. I don't handle frustration well, so I just decided I'd never get frustrated. Some players channel that negative energy and use it to play well. I'm never going to hate on someone's on-court attitude unless it's so blatantly malicious that they're deserving. It's not my style.

In short, thank you for the compliment, but you may be barking up the wrong tree with Mr. Baker. Don't mistake his intensity for attitude. The on-court Baker and off-court Baker can be two very different kids.



Yes, but there's complaining like this-->

and complaining like this -->

I choose the former. Plus, the ball was up. And I got us a replay.

taylor, i have those p[ics.. and u have to see my haloween costume for our dance tomorrow...

Hey lets end this now.

John Baker I Love You and your one great kid


end of story.

What about the coaches poll???

Coach's Poll? Memorial ahead of Pius? That's not what the conference tournament told me....

Juuuuuust kidding Taylor.

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Did you just compare Dan Matthews to Dan Kowalsky?

Hahaha relax Mike... he was referring to attitude, not talent. I'm not Dan Mathews, and might be tempted to slap anyone who thought I was.

No i wasnt referring to attitude. I've never really seen you play. Dan Matthews has become quite the mystical phenom around here. I played against him and was in the north shore program with him for several years. He complained about ref calls or double calls against him all the time (as did I). Don't say something about someone that you know nothing about. Then again Dan Matthews is a baller and can do what he wants. I didnt mean my previous comment as a stab at you daniel.

I will claim ignorance towards Dan Mathews, seeing as I've never met him. I have heard nothing but good things about the guy, and I have no knowledge of whether it's all true or people kissing @ss. All I know is, I've never been a fan of (seriously) complaining about calls, and doing that isn't really my cup of tea. To each their own I suppose.

I certainly know my setter has no problems complaining about calls (I love you Phil...)